ShortWingPipers.Org http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/ An group of enthusiasts of the short wing piper aircraft en Fri, 18 May 2012 22:59:28 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/images/misc/rss.png ShortWingPipers.Org http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/ A reasonable or flawed plan? http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7792-A-reasonable-or-flawed-plan&goto=newpost Fri, 18 May 2012 22:31:38 GMT I am the new owner of a PA-22/20 160 HP. The airplane is airworthy, just passed annual and pre-purchase inspection. It is no beauty queen but flies... I am the new owner of a PA-22/20 160 HP. The airplane is airworthy, just passed annual and pre-purchase inspection. It is no beauty queen but flies nice. The fabric is Ceconite with dope and has been blessed by two A&Ps. The fabric is 36 years old. The paint is a bit of a mess with fading, cracks, and those little swirly things.

Plan A was:
Buy plane, put in garage, strip, recover paint.
I was dissuaded from this with the logic, why shelve it before you have a chance to fly it? Fly it till the weather turns and then Plan A.

Plan B is:
Fly airplane till weather turns but DO NOT RECOVER. I have talked to guys who know how long it takes to recover and given my circumstances (day job, other job, two kids, marriage I would like to keep) it would be foolish to strip it. Put it in the garage and sand-rejuvenate and repaint. Fix the panel, straighten the sheet metal, add gear fairings and wheel pants, etc etc. And hopefully be flying in two years(ish).

I REALLY like plan B as recovering is too much for me to bite off. I am NERVOUS about what is under the fabric but am will to climb all through this thing to inspect as fully as I can. I can pull fabric away from windows door frames etc. What I can't do is see inside the wings.

Opinions?

Rich
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]]> Shortwing Saloon richas http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7792-A-reasonable-or-flawed-plan Oil pressure drop http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7791-Oil-pressure-drop&goto=newpost Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:05 GMT Around 3.5 hours after an oil change, the oil pressure will drop a few psi and oil temperature will go up by about 10 degrees. It happens over about... Around 3.5 hours after an oil change, the oil pressure will drop a few psi and oil temperature will go up by about 10 degrees. It happens over about 5 or 10 minutes. Previous to the change, everything is stable, and I can't think of anything that would cause it. The only thing consistent is that it only ever happens like that after an oil change. It's almost as if some characteristic of the oil has changed.
Any thoughts, anyone?
PA22/20-160 which I always run just under 75%. I normally use Shell W-100 which is an ashless dispersant type, though I've seen the event occur using Castrol straight mineral 100 (red band), and Mobil (Exxon) 100AD. ]]> Shortwing Saloon 59pacer http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7791-Oil-pressure-drop Door handles for PA-22 http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7790-Door-handles-for-PA-22&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 15:50:49 GMT I am looking for replacement interior door handles for the front and rear doors of my 1957 Tri-Pacer. I have not been able to find any and my usual... I am looking for replacement interior door handles for the front and rear doors of my 1957 Tri-Pacer. I have not been able to find any and my usual sources of information have no idea. ]]> Where Can I Find It? sbclaypool http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7790-Door-handles-for-PA-22 Bearing number http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7789-Bearing-number&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 10:51:40 GMT The bearings on my PA22-150 nose wheel are Timkin 13889. What is the number of the cup (race)? I would like to get these in advance to lessen the... The bearings on my PA22-150 nose wheel are Timkin 13889. What is the number of the cup (race)? I would like to get these in advance to lessen the down time of the plane while it is being serviced. ]]> Maintenance Hangar forkzilla http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7789-Bearing-number Mixture creeping out! http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7788-Mixture-creeping-out!&goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 16:53:49 GMT I have noticed that my mixture control continually creeps outwards with vibration so that if I take my eyes off of it for a minute or two it will... I have noticed that my mixture control continually creeps outwards with vibration so that if I take my eyes off of it for a minute or two it will have moved several 5-10mm toward lean. This is obviously an unsafe condition. Does anyone know of a replacement mixture with a more conventional vernier/adjustable friction lock mechanism I can have installed? ]]> Maintenance Hangar Triarius http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7788-Mixture-creeping-out! Unfiltered Autogas Mistake http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7787-Unfiltered-Autogas-Mistake&goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 03:36:53 GMT Hi All, I'm a new guy to the forum, new '56 Tripacer Owner (40 year old dream) with a new guy mistake. I put Non Ox 91 Octane autogas from a non-proven station in my trusty little bird without filtering it. Didn't detect contaminants until after the first flight hour. Now both tanks show particles. (nothing in the lower strainers) 2 questions: 1. Is there a faster way to drain the tanks, other than the under-wing drains? 2. After I drain the gas, is there something else I should do? Flush the tanks, Sta-bil, Seafoam? Remove the strainer bowls (outside the tanks) I don't suppose there are shutoffs to isolate the strainers? Take it to my field's mechanic? Or simply put clean 100 LL, monitor and call it good? Thanks in advance...I love reading and trying to soak in the wisdom.... ]]> Maintenance Hangar Jim Norrix http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7787-Unfiltered-Autogas-Mistake Throttle and Mixture engine mount bracket... http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7786-Throttle-and-Mixture-engine-mount-bracket&goto=newpost Sun, 13 May 2012 12:51:12 GMT Does anyone have a good picture of the throttle and mixture bracket that fastenes to the engine mount. I had to buy one on ebay after misplacing my... Does anyone have a good picture of the throttle and mixture bracket that fastenes to the engine mount. I had to buy one on ebay after misplacing my original one for restoration. I thought it it had clamps on both ends....The one I purchased has the clamp only on one end. It looks stock and not hacked up, but I am not sure and would think it would need both ends to be secure for the cables. If anyone is following this, send me some pictures! Thanks a lot. ]]> Maintenance Hangar jetdoc31 http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7786-Throttle-and-Mixture-engine-mount-bracket wood vs. aluminum wing http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7785-wood-vs-aluminum-wing&goto=newpost Sun, 13 May 2012 02:55:25 GMT Hi everyone, Just signed up on the SWPO website today, lots of great stuff! I am in the research and planning phase for hopefully starting a Wag... Hi everyone,

Just signed up on the SWPO website today, lots of great stuff! I am in the research and planning phase for hopefully starting a Wag Aero Wagabond Traveler soon but have questions regarding the wing construction. First off the plans call for wood ribs/spars whereas the Vagabond (from what I can tell) is aluminum/aluminum. Is the aluminum wing stronger or just more efficient to manufacture on an assembly line? When did Piper switch manufacturing methods?

Also the Wag plans show 11 ribs...from what I've read the SW Pipers have 12 ribs, 13 on the later tri-Pacers. Why only 11 on the Wag? Is the rib spacing different, are the wingtips different, allowing an additional rib?

If I am wrong on any of my conclusions with please let me know, and thank you all for the information and a great forum! I look forward to learning more!!

Mark G ]]> Shortwing Saloon Mark G http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7785-wood-vs-aluminum-wing Cleveland Wheel and brakes via STC SA11RM http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7784-Cleveland-Wheel-and-brakes-via-STC-SA11RM&goto=newpost Sun, 13 May 2012 02:48:29 GMT This STC was done on a PA-17. Can anyone verify what size tires are permitted with these wheels and brakes per the STC? This STC was done on a PA-17. Can anyone verify what size tires are permitted with these wheels and brakes per the STC? ]]> Modifications andya http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7784-Cleveland-Wheel-and-brakes-via-STC-SA11RM Counting down http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7783-Counting-down&goto=newpost Sun, 13 May 2012 01:33:45 GMT Well I'm finally down to counting the days until I get my plane back.

The closest feeling I can compare it to is coming home from sea after a long deployment. Anticipation, nervousness, and time seems to be ticking by VERY slowly.

One thing I do know for sure. If I was impressed with the planes performance before I ought to be floored now!

-Grant ]]> Shortwing Saloon Grantmac http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7783-Counting-down Need Help Finding These http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7782-Need-Help-Finding-These&goto=newpost Thu, 10 May 2012 18:10:34 GMT I started using these paint can pouring lids several years ago and really like them. They seal well, the spout collapses so I can shake the paint in... I started using these paint can pouring lids several years ago and really like them. They seal well, the spout collapses so I can shake the paint in my paint shaker and the don't leak when I pour the paint out. The problem is I can't seem to find them anywhere. Ordered some from Lowes online recently but when they came they were for plastic house paint cans. Anyone have any leads? Thanks.
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]]> Shortwing Saloon Steve Pierce http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7782-Need-Help-Finding-These Looking for a light twin http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7781-Looking-for-a-light-twin&goto=newpost Thu, 10 May 2012 15:00:08 GMT If any of you guys or gals know of a good Apache/Geronimo/Twin Comanche/Travel Air for less than $50.000 please let me know, much appreciated! Sam If any of you guys or gals know of a good Apache/Geronimo/Twin Comanche/Travel Air for less than $50.000 please let me know, much appreciated!

Sam ]]> My Other Airplane Is... halestorm http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7781-Looking-for-a-light-twin <![CDATA[Alaska Airmen's Convention]]> http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7780-Alaska-Airmen-s-Convention&goto=newpost Wed, 09 May 2012 21:26:45 GMT Any lucky SWP drivers get to attend the convention? It would great to get a report and even better some pics! Any lucky SWP drivers get to attend the convention? It would great to get a report and even better some pics! ]]> Shortwing Saloon pa20 http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7780-Alaska-Airmen-s-Convention Pa-22/20 baggage space? http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7779-Pa-22-20-baggage-space&goto=newpost Tue, 08 May 2012 19:20:47 GMT My son is attending an orchestra camp this summer and it's a 5+ hour drive one-way. He has to be there on a Wednesday so it would have to be a drive-drop-return trip in the car. I'm really not looking forward to it.

There's an airport (FFX) nearby so it got me thinking of flying him up in the pacer. It's a 5 hour round trip flight vs. 10+ hours of driving. However, the big problem (literally) is he plays and needs to bring his 3/4 string bass:

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I've not measured it yet but it's about 6ft tall. It's not very heavy but simply bulky.

Any guesses if it would fit in the back if I were to remove the backseat? Also, not sure if it would load thru the baggage door.

I don't think it would do well strapped to the strut either.:icon_rolleyes:
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]]> Shortwing Saloon smcnutt http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7779-Pa-22-20-baggage-space Pacer and Cleveland Wheels and Brakes....? http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7778-Pacer-and-Cleveland-Wheels-and-Brakes&goto=newpost Tue, 08 May 2012 02:15:24 GMT I know there has been lots of talk on Cleveland wheels and brakes for pipers here and that STCs from Univair are available for my Pacer. I installed... I know there has been lots of talk on Cleveland wheels and brakes for pipers here and that STCs from Univair are available for my Pacer. I installed the Univair Wide Gear about 1.5yrs ago and now want to install Cleveland double puck calipers. Univair have brakes for the 1.5" axles but cannot use a 8.00 or 8.50 tire. My question is, I have the wide gear with 1.25" axle and want a 8.00 or 8.50 tire, is this possible? Anyone have a part numbers so I can piece it together and get an approval? Thanks for any info. ]]> Maintenance Hangar jetdoc31 http://www.shortwingpipers.org/forum/showthread.php?7778-Pacer-and-Cleveland-Wheels-and-Brakes