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    Default Tight turns with the hand brake?

    Hey everyone!

    I just recently started flying a Tri-pacer pa22-150. It has just one hand brake which applies equal brake pressure to each wheel. I am have been flying planes with toe brakes, where you can make turns on a dime. Is there any tips and tricks to make those 180 turns tighter?

    Thanks!!

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    Default Re: Tight turns with the hand brake?

    Nope, plan ahead.

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    Not a Tri gear plane that turns tighter then a Tripacer. Drag a wing tip or tip over on her back tight if you are not carful with taxi speed and wind.

    Number one NTSB event in a Tripacer is the milk stool tumble closely followed by the IMC/CFT event. Be extra cautiose turning upwind to downwind on uneven terrain that lifts the upwind wing. If it starts to go over use a full jab of throttle with proper control input.

    I would be be more worried about efective braking more then anything. Never point your Tripacer at anything you can't afford to replace

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    Default Re: Tight turns with the hand brake?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blake.lewis18 View Post
    Hey everyone!

    I just recently started flying a Tri-pacer pa22-150. It has just one hand brake which applies equal brake pressure to each wheel. I am have been flying planes with toe brakes, where you can make turns on a dime. Is there any tips and tricks to make those 180 turns tighter?

    Thanks!!
    You could install Williams toe brakes, lose legroom, be out several thousand dollars and make tighter turns. It is all a compromise. A lot like toe brakes, after you get use to it they are no big deal. Does take some planning though like Bob said.

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    Default Re: Tight turns with the hand brake?

    That must be why I don't see brake pedals here. Where is the hand brake handle at?


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    Default Re: Tight turns with the hand brake?

    SMO22 You don’t own a ShortWing Piper?
    Last edited by Gilbert Pierce; 06-30-2018 at 12:53 PM.

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    Default Re: Tight turns with the hand brake?

    There is a red handle in your picture that starts to show just below where you see the Mixture knob, the lower end is blocked by the
    right side control wheel


    Quote Originally Posted by SMO22 View Post
    That must be why I don't see brake pedals here. Where is the hand brake handle at?
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    Default Re: Tight turns with the hand brake?

    The brake handle hangs from below the center of the panel, and has a big plastic knob on it. Pulling the knob pulls a cable connected to a single Scott master cylinder either on the engine mount (<1956) or below pilot's seat (after 1955.)
    If you apply partial brakes and stomp the rudder fully with engine idling and forward motion, the plane will turn a good tight circle. Find a big clear taxi area at your airfied and practice taxi figure 8s and cloverleaf turns until it gets boring.

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    And while you are practicing tight turns, make sure you know the wind strength and direction is and use your controls accordingly.

    Tripacers have a high stance, so are vulnerable to strong crosswinds. From personal experience, the view from the pilots seat when the aeroplane is flat on it's back, is not all that attractive and is usually fairly expensive!

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    Steve...can you really turn tighter with toe brakes? The nosewheel is direct pushrod steering. I would think that making it turn more tightly by reefing on the inside brake would run the risk of damaging the nosewheel linkages. The GA-8 has this issue...they have to drill it into the pilots that you are not allowed to use brakes to assist with turns...ever...

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