Heel to Toe brakes

[Steve Pierce]

So did the shortwings start off with heel brakes and slowly folks have been putting toe brakes in them, or did they just come that way?

All the Short Wings I know of had toe brakes from the factory except the hand brake in the Tri-Pacer.

[Tadpole]

So did the shortwings start off with heel brakes and slowly folks have been putting toe brakes in them, or did they just come that way?

All the Short Wings I know of had toe brakes from the factory except the hand brake in the Tri-Pacer.

Ah cool, I didn't know that.

[dbudd]

has anybody when they converted a 22 to a 20 put in heal brakes.

[Throttle Pusher]

I like this thread
My last airplane had heel brakes and I really liked them alot.
I've been looking to replace the johnson bar with toe brakes but now Im thinking I would rather have the heel brakes.
This would also address the issue with the lost leg room when going to the toe brakes

would this be a field approval or is there a stc out there?

[redbarron55]

Perhaps I have been using heel brakes wrong all these years. I always thought that it was awfully handy to just pick up the heel to put pressure on the toe brakes, instead of having to (sometimes ) let off of the rudder to pick up the brake.
Personally I lke the toe brakes where when I am running out of rudder I have the brakes just a toe away.
Some toe brakes are positioned better (for me) than others, but I wouldn't trade any for my toe brakes.
The only time I wished that my Pacer had heel brakes was whne an FAA inspector ground-looped mine and my main concern was that they would over brake too and put the plane on its back.

[Curly]

"FAA inspector ground-looped mine and my main concern was that they would over brake too and put the plane on its back"
Exactly the same senario that put Patsy on her back!

[Throttle Pusher]

I wonder how easy it would be to get a field approval for the heel brakes on a 52 PA-22.
As I under stand it the 1952 was basicaly the same airframe as the Pacer. I wonder if I have the brackets for them on the frame.
I will have to take a look.

Does any one have a picture of a pacer heel brake set up?
Would love to see what Im looking for.

[redbarron55]

As far as I know there are no Tri or Pacers with heel brakes. These were pretty old school even in 1950.

[Throttle Pusher]

I was just thinking that when they went from T/D to nose pusher there could have been some bleed over on the frame effectivity. Brackets on the early 22's that were on the 20's.

[pistoncan]

has anybody when they converted a 22 to a 20 put in heal brakes.

I am doing a tandem wagabond and I considered mounting scott heel brakes for the rear seat with a cable to the front for the front passenger. My difficulty is finding a pair of reasonably priced scott units, the toe brakes are much cheaper.