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Thread: PA-22 IFR Certification - CDI Placement & Panel Layout

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    Use the advanced button and then upload your picture. When it is clicked on it goes full size. Check the link above on the panel STC. I think this is in fact Woolsey panel that Univair bought.

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    My panel was a Woolsey Panel. I put a reducer in there for the clock if you look real close. A nice HSI would solve all your concerns.
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    Chad, it looks like your panel layout will work for IFR training. It is important that the radios be where both the pilot and the instructor or co-pilot can reach them. That way the work load can be split up. The only thing I would change for IFR flight is the control wheels. I found that the stock control wheels blocked the some of the flight instruments. Having to look over or under the wheel to get a clear view of the altimeter or the v-speed indicator add to the work load and caused me to move my head more often. While both moving one's head to see the flight instruments and not being able to see the altimeter at a glance are not that critical when flying VFR, in my opinion, it is very distracting especially when shooting an approach, not having a clear view of the altimeter and other instruments all of the time. Also, when in IMC conditions, moving one's head unnecessarily is a very bad practice as this one of the primary causes of spacial disorientation. A very bad thing to happen to you when flying in the clouds. A good set of yokes, though not cheap, will cure that weakness.

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    Red face IFR Panel

    You're right, after a closer look I see the reducer for the clock. I didn't realize Univair acquired the Woolsey Panel. You have about the best set up I've seen for a Short Wing since you can get shoot most all approaches, have moving map, annunciators with the 430 in one box. The limited space makes it a real challenge to have a safe radio package. Anyhow....really nice panel and Pacer!
    The Escort II radio I had as a back up was pretty much pure junk. It never had enough reception. They sold it as a 1 1/2 radio, but I thought it was more like 1/2.

    I'm assuming from the other posts that the ADF is leaving the panel. Good choice since they're decommissioning them all over the country. The "NDB or GPS" overlay approaches are starting to get RNAV replacements, but some may just get waypoint replacements for the NDB and be stand alone GPS approaches.

    Good luck on your rating and radio chocies on the original post!

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    Is there an STC or 337 available to install "newer" style yokes on the PA-22, or is it only a logbook entry? Also, where do you find "newer" yokes? I checked Aircraft Spruce, Wag Aero, and Chief and didn't see any listed. I tried to check the SWPC website members' section for info, but it's down.

    Looks like I'm going to buy the Woolsey Panel from Univair and get a quote for installation when I take the plane in for the radio install. If it's reasonable, I'll do it then. If not, my dad and I will do it and get my IA check over our work.

    Thanks for the responses. If I can get on the 172 schedule for this week, looks like I'll be taking my checkride sometime between Thursday and Monday. I dread the oral portion...

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    I've seen several Short Wing planes with newer yokes but don't know about any STC's. Steve Pierce could do a lot better job answering on that. Depending on how tall you are, you may not need to worry about the yokes. I'm right at 6' tall and have never had a problem seeing anything on the panel.

    On the Wolsey panel, if you have any mechanical / general metalworking skills and can read a shop drawing you shouldn't have a problem providing the package is the same as the Woolsey package. It had full size layouts. Just take your time and "measure thrice and cut once".

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    If you look at my panel picture you will see the yokes installed by 337. I would try to find something that sat a little higher on the shaft, at 6'1" they were pretty close to my legs.
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    I used Beechcraft Sndowner yokes. They set higher than the Bonanza yokes. Now days it is probably easier to get a DER to sign them off then get a field approval. There are 2 types of these yokes. Plastic with a keavy wire inside. You can spot this type. They have a plastic butch plug at the top of each horn. This type is not very good and should be avoided. The ones without the bitch plugs are cast magnesium and are of high quality. If you do it the way I did you will have to have an adapter bushing machined up to adapt the large hole in the yoke to the small column the Pacer uses.

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    We have a Tri-Pacer here with late 70s Cherokee/Archer yokes in it. I like the feel but it puts the yoke higher and it is not in the right spot to use the arm rest. I like the stock yoke and arm rest on long cross countries.

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    Steve, I agree that the stock wheels ar cumfterble but these look and work quite well
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