Looking for a light twin

[halestorm]

If any of you guys or gals know of a good Apache/Geronimo/Twin Comanche/Travel Air for less than $50.000 please let me know, much appreciated!

Sam

[Tadpole]

I know of an Apache that was just rebuilt and flying again the guy wants to sell. I'll have to check with him to see if he's finally done tinkering with other things on it and if he has a price in mind.

[Southern Aero]

Sam,

I have a friend in a hangar across from me with an Aztec thats looking to sell. Would be priced pretty reasonable as he's looking to sell. email wd248@aol.com if interested.

Wayne

[nowlen]

I would go with the twin comanche. I've owned a geronimo and a B95A and wouldn't own either again.

[andya]

it's hard to beat a twin comanche for travel @ 165-170 kts and 16 gph

[GeronimoDriver]

My vote is for Apache... Lots of Geronimos for that price and many much lower. They are good solid planes, with a lot more room than a Twinky. I flew a Twin Commanche a couple times and my first thought was that I was glad I got the Apache instead.

[halestorm]

Thanks for the replies guys. We're(dad and I) leaning towards a 180 Geronimo as our first choice. Dad has fond memories of various Apaches from years ago. A cheap Twinkie(unfortunate monicker) would be really cool too.

Tadpole: find out his price please!

Wayne: Aztec equals too much fuel flow for our mission, fun machine tho.

Sam

[Tadpole]

PM coming...

[PeterL]

I would strongely consider a Cessna 310, I owned one and it would be my first choice again. 190 kts true, IO-470 engines on 17-18 gal/hour. Carries a good load and easy to fly VFR or IFR. The Cessna 310 will carry alot of ice also, (I know, been there- done that).
My 310 was was a '68 with de-ice boots, great on short field and non-paved strips. Plus, there are under valved, so you can pickup one with all the bells and more bells.

Peter L

[Ed Brown]

The 310 is a fantastic airplane. Good speed, solid IFR platform, good useful load, and I like the way you sit up so tall in it. And PeterL is correct, it can carry a lot of ice. But a Twin Comanche sure is a nice plane too, and even it will carry over 2 inches of ice as evidenced by the attached photos.

[MN_flyer1]

My brother has a 310 executive he wants to sell. Probably a little more plane than you want. It has IO-520 Colemill conversions (300 hp). Plane is in Chandler, AZ.

[Lownslow]

Getting off subject a little here, but I would stick with a Comanche 250 or 260. Solid airplane and same speed with less headaches of two mills.

Lou

[PeterL]

and even it will carry over 2 inches of ice as evidenced by the attached photos.

eglad, thats an ice maker, makes me love the HOT Wings even more on the CRJ.............(just keep the engines at 79% for the bleed air).

Peter

[DougG]

HI, Twin Comanche on barn stormers this morning for 39,000. Looks loke an ex Aero Union bird dog so you have a dstinctive paint job. Engines past TBO.
Doug

[11304]

Don't rule out a Travelair. The later Travelairs have fuel injected 180 hp Lycoming engines and a gross weight of 4200 pounds. I have owned one for 17 years and have nothing bad to say about it. it has been reliable. The empty weight is 2800 pounds. the earlier versions B95A had a simmons fuel injection system that is not well supported. Earlier than that were the 95 and B95 which had a 4000 pound gross weight and carburated engines. I think it is easier to get in and out of than an Aztec and i assume an Apache or Twin Comanche. A Twin Comanche might be either a little faster or more fuel efficient, but probably not both at the same time. Maybe someone could comment on the Geronimo speeds I have flown mine at 150 KTAS on 14 GPH lean of peak.

Jeff

[halestorm]

Hey everybody, thanks for your input.

After much research dad and I settled on an Apache. Just returned this afternoon from Illinois where we picked up N2150P, the third Piper in the family and she's a great machine. Partial Geronimo mods, O-360s, nice panel, she climbs like a homesick angel. Looking forward to pursuing my ATP with her. Despite the tradition of female names on ships we've named her Ivan. Oh well, the name just fits.

Trying not to get too carried away with mods but first on the list will be a couple Steve's gascolators and some new dry air pumps. If you're in the Seattle area this summer you'll see me flying around.

Sam

[Steve Pierce]

Congratulations Sam. Looks like you are starting a new chapter.

[Zac Weidner]

Hey everybody, thanks for your input.

After much research dad and I settled on an Apache. Just returned this afternoon from Illinois where we picked up N2150P, the third Piper in the family and she's a great machine. Partial Geronimo mods, O-360s, nice panel, she climbs like a homesick angel. Looking forward to pursuing my ATP with her. Despite the tradition of female names on ships we've named her Ivan. Oh well, the name just fits.

Trying not to get too carried away with mods but first on the list will be a couple Steve's gascolators and some new dry air pumps. If you're in the Seattle area this summer you'll see me flying around.

Sam

Did you stop at Mount Vernon with it on the way? We were there for the pancake breakfast and I saw that airplane getting a nice plane wash. I didn't look too close, but it looked like a very nice machine.

[Bob Mac]

Sounds good. I have always enjoyed flying the Apache. I just wanted to get my belated 2 cents in. I had a Cessne 337 (Skymaster) for 22 years. 3 years ago I decided that I was getting subtle messages from Father Time so I gave it to my daughter. She and her husband , both Airline Captains (and she is an IA), are enjoying it even more than I did. It is an absolutely wonderful airplane. Anybody looking for a twin should not fail to look at it.

[51-pa22]

Congrats Sam. Keep us posted on your Geronimo. for a little history on your aircraft, do a google search for Twin Stinson http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Shumaker/3394.htm . By now, you should also know of http://www.diamondaire.com/apache_to_diamond_geronimo.html They are the folks that provide the upgrades to your low-wing metalized piper with an extra engine and a funny nose PS never fly it under 100mph until your landing. http://165thbdhr.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/smokin.gif

[51-pa22]

Well, I know you found a PA-23-180 to solve your twin desires, however, this seemed like the best place to share this data. Thanks to the twinnavion site and images posted (Collect-Air Photos via K. McTavish) the following show a Twin TriPacer! N932A http://www.twinnavion.com/oddballs/tripacer-01.jpg using a pair of 125hp O-290 D engines http://www.twinnavion.com/oddballs/tripacer-03.jpg This also uses a prop spacer for crank shaft clearance. http://www.twinnavion.com/oddballs/tripacer-02.jpg null http://165thbdhr.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/smokin.gif Found the Wagner Twin Tri-Pacer on http://www.twinnavion.com/oddballs.htm While searching for wing root fairing drawings

[MN_flyer1]

51,

I think the Matthew guys in UT make a 1 piece wing root faring for a Tri-pacer. Saw a pic that Kurt S. took.

Tim

[51-pa22]

51, ...Matthew guys in UT ... Saw a pic that Kurt S. took.... any more info on the image or the "Mathew guys"? http://165thbdhr.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/smokin.gif

[Glen Geller]

Well, I know you found a PA-23-180 to solve your twin desires, however, this seemed like the best place to share this data. Thanks to the twinnavion site and images posted (Collect-Air Photos via K. McTavish) the following show a Twin TriPacer! N932A http://www.twinnavion.com/oddballs/tripacer-01.jpg using a pair of 125hp O-290 D engines http://www.twinnavion.com/oddballs/tripacer-03.jpg This also uses a prop spacer for crank shaft clearance. http://www.twinnavion.com/oddballs/tripacer-02.jpg null http://165thbdhr.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/smokin.gif Found the Wagner Twin Tri-Pacer on http://www.twinnavion.com/oddballs.htm While searching for wing root fairing drawings

Ah yes, the classic PA22-250.

[GeronimoDriver]

Sam, nice looking Apache! they are great planes aren't they? Just like the Shortwings. I'm not sure what that comment about not going lower than 100mph until landing was about, but they have a big fat wing and love to go slow.

[Ed Brown]

And the Apache has the same airfoil as all the shortwing's.