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rideandfly
I know this is very frustrating and it should never have gone this far, but hopefully the EAA/AOPA legal teams could use your information and original Piper documentation to overturn the Inspectors opinion. Only met Clyde Smith once at Lock Haven, but if he has original Piper documentation for this aircraft, looks like that would be the same as communicating with Piper Aircraft Corp.
Hope it works out for you!
I think a big part is that the guy just wants to save face and won’t admit he’s wrong. Have FAA headquarters and one of my Senators involved. Just emailed the MIDO as well, and they seem sympathetic. Same MIDO that covers Lock Haven, but of course everyone from back then are long retired.
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The bigger man is one that can admit that he's made a mistake.
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Hi,
Sometimes you need to leave a trail out after backing someone into a corner.
Re: PA-16 Data Plate Pictures
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Jim
Hi,
Sometimes you need to leave a trail out after backing someone into a corner.
He started this over 2 years ago with the previous owner. I’ve spoken to others about this guy and he seems to be a real hard ass. He keeps falling back to the imposable position that the TC holder is the only entity that can verify a data plate, and the TC holder says they have no ability or requirement to verify a data plate. For all the research I’ve done, I can’t find any regulation, order, notice, advisory circular anywhere that says a TC holder has to verify a data plate or that verification is necessary. The only things out there are you can’t remove or alter, or place an unauthorized data plate. Doing so violates Part 3, and Part 45, along with being a criminal act under 18 USC for fraud. If this guy really believed it was the wrong data plate, he should have filed a letter of investigation for violations of 14 CFR, and referred it to the IG for criminal prosecution.
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And there a lot of ways he can back out that decision and still look ok....
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I would be very curious as to the progress the EAA and AOPA have made on this. To me, this is something they should take the lead on. Besides the annual dues, one or the other or both have their hands out for more money at least once a month; all the while in each monthly magazine beating their chest about what a great job they are doing in Washington and in general. I belong to both organizations because of their efforts to educate as well as right the various wrongs that are inevitable when dealing with large bureaucracies (private and Government). However, when they fail their membership on something that should be dirt simple to fix, they need to be held accountable. Luck - Dwain
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Dwain
I would be very curious as to the progress the EAA and AOPA have made on this. To me, this is something they should take the lead on. Besides the annual dues, one or the other or both have their hands out for more money at least once a month; all the while in each monthly magazine beating their chest about what a great job they are doing in Washington and in general. I belong to both organizations because of their efforts to educate as well as right the various wrongs that are inevitable when dealing with large bureaucracies (private and Government). However, when they fail their membership on something that should be dirt simple to fix, they need to be held accountable. Luck - Dwain
EAA hasn't been engaged so far. To date my contacts have been with AOPA and Antique Airplane Assn. From my past experience, EAA hasn't been a good source for these issues. Others may have had different experiences, just my perspective. I am an EAA And Vintage member, so they get my money like everyone else.
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I dropped my Vintage membership after a conversation with the Vintage president. We were discussing the very productive annual meeting we used to have with the FAA concerning Vintage issues at OSH. She totally blew Steve off and walked away from the conversation. It was apparent she was only interested in the big money Antiquer’s that occupy row 1 at Oshkosh regardless of the fact that the majority of Vintage members are arriving in Classic and Contemporary airplanes.
I think Brent Taylor and the AAA do more us little guys than EAA Vintage.
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Gilbert Pierce
I dropped my Vintage membership after a conversation with the Vintage president. We were discussing the very productive annual meeting we used to have with the FAA concerning Vintage issues at OSH. She totally blew Steve off and walked away from the conversation. It was apparent she was only interested in the big money Antiquer’s that occupy row 1 at Oshkosh regardless of the fact that the majority of Vintage members are arriving in Classic and Contemporary airplanes.
I think Brent Taylor and the AAA do more us little guys than EAA Vintage.
Got my vote there! I've known Brent since he was a little kid. Been a Lifetime member there since 1970 or there about.
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Finally some good news! Got a call from FAA Registration Branch Monday afternoon. After lots of calls, letters all the way up to the head of Flight Standards, letters to Congressmen and Senators, FAA Inspectors coming to the house to perform a "Conformity" on my airframe and data plate, the FAA concedes that it is the true an correct data plate! Go Figure! Now the problem is, there is a Legal Interpretation that says the aircraft needs to be compete before they can issue a registration. https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf
I was hoping they would pass on this, but seems they won't. I'm supposed to get a letter from them saying that all other requirements for registration are complete, and when I supply them with photographs of the completed aircraft, they will issue a Registration Certificate!
In other news, I also got a letter from the Atlanta ACO. Seems like they are going to grant my AMC request to re-seal a set of struts that were drilled for fairings and door catches. Haven't seen the letter yet, but the engineer seemed pretty sure it would be issued!
So at this point I have Field Approvals for installing the Sutton Exhaust, a completely new electrical system to include EarthX EXT900TSO battery on the firewall, SykTek lightweight starter, B&C L40 alternator and their regulator, master solenoid, replacing the Grimes wing tip lights with PA-22 light fairings, SkyBeacon on the left, and SkySensor on the right, Sunbeacon on the belly, Aero leds landing and taxi lights, Fuselage structural changes to include X brace, aft access panel like on Gilbert's PA-16, Front center seat belt fitting, larger tube under the aft seat for center seat belt anchor for the rear seat, an aft avionics shelf, tabs for attaching a sub panel for switches and circuit breakers, a heated pitot and static system that replicates the later PA-22.
Waiting for the AMOC on the struts, assuming that is approved, then another Field approval for PA-20/22 front struts modified with the bushings for fairleads.
I have an ACO request in for increased gross weight up to 1750 lbs based on the structural modifications already identified, and an increase in the aft landing gear tube wall thickness, based primarily on the PA-20-115 similarity.
I'll also be putting in a field approval request to modify the right rudder pedals to match the PA-20 dual brake configuration, but using the Grove 670-48 master cylinders on the right, and no shuttle valves. We will see how that one works out.
So this morning I spend several hours cleaning up and re-arranging the wood shop into a wing shop.