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Re: Shortfield takeoffs in Tri-Pacer
So, I did another 10 shortfield TO's and landings today. Some of the landings were to clear an imaginary 50 foot tree just in front of the numbers... I think only a couple of my landings were smooth. The others were at various sink rates into stall and uh, not so smooth. Only the last one was really smooth and was assisted strongly by my instructor keeping the nose down until later than I wanted to into the round out and flare. I learned something on that one. I know how to put it down within about 50 to 150 feet now, pretty reliably. Smoothly, is another feature I'll need to refine. I tried one more of the half flap take offs, but the wheelies were severe and I needed to push over forward pretty hard to retard what felt like looping onto my back. On a couple subsequent tries, removing flaps and just letting it rip with the yoke in my lap yielded what felt like the best results getting off in the shortest distance. Pretty amazing really. Thanks for all your inputs. I will definitely experiment some more with this shortfield dynamic range as the back country is in my future.
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Re: Shortfield takeoffs in Tri-Pacer
I have to land over real 60’ trees on the north end of our 2700’ grass runway. The trees abut the end of the runway so there is really much less available runway. After much experimenting I found I get the shortest smoothest landing doing what the WWII carrier pilots did. When the LSO gave them the cut they first pushed the nose down and the flared. That didn’t make sense to me until I tried it. I come over the trees at 60/65 mph. Just as I clear the trees I push the nose down and then flare just above the runway. I works for me. 3 points are shorter rollouts than wheelies as well.
Last edited by Gilbert Pierce; 11-23-2019 at 01:50 PM.
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Re: Shortfield takeoffs in Tri-Pacer
Subsonic: Adding a bit of throttle just a second or two before touchdown can smooth out an impending "thump" and turn it into a greaser. It arrests your sink rate just a tiny bit but also gives the elevator a lot more authority.
Todd Loes -- Waterloo, IA
(PA22-150 N3568Z)
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Re: Shortfield takeoffs in Tri-Pacer
I don't go into strips that are less than 1,000 feet (just my personal minimum). Some of my friends have strips between 1,000 and 1,200 feet long. Two of them are one way in, one way out. No option for landing long or going around. When I go in there, I don't care if it is a carrier landing or not. Pretty and smooth doesn't count. Only getting stopped in time matters. So, don't worry too much about landing smooth when doing "real" short field landings. Of course, landing real short and smooth is a nice bonus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgLqhwovqI
Juergen
Pacer N3342Z
Last edited by Pacer42Z; 11-24-2019 at 11:04 AM.
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Re: Shortfield takeoffs in Tri-Pacer
Originally Posted by
Gilbert Pierce
I have to land over real 60’ trees on the north end of our 2700’ grass runway.
The trees abut the end of the runway so there is really much less available runway. After much experimenting I found I get the shortest smoothest landing doing what the WWII carrier pilots did. When the LSO gave them the cut they first pushed the nose down and the flared. That didn’t make sense to me until I tried it. I come over the trees at 60/65 mph. Just as I clear the trees I push the nose down and then flare just above the runway. I works for me. 3 points are shorter rollouts than wheelies as well.
I do the same thing going into 1800 feet of grass strip. Works perfect every time with plenty of runway left to spare...
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Re: Shortfield takeoffs in Tri-Pacer
Originally Posted by
tloes
Subsonic: Adding a bit of throttle just a second or two before touchdown can smooth out an impending "thump" and turn it into a greaser. It arrests your sink rate just a tiny bit but also gives the elevator a lot more authority.
The micro VGs glued to the horizontal stab give a tri-pacer back that authority at low speeds...
- Vern
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Re: Shortfield takeoffs in Tri-Pacer
Originally Posted by
Pacer42Z
I don't go into strips that are less than 1,000 feet (just my personal minimum). Some of my friends have strips between 1,000 and 1,200 feet long. Two of them are one way in, one way out. No option for landing long or going around. When I go in there, I don't care if it is a carrier landing or not. Pretty and smooth doesn't count. Only getting stopped in time matters. So, don't worry too much about landing smooth when doing "real" short field landings. Of course, landing real short and smooth is a nice bonus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgLqhwovqI
Juergen
Pacer N3342Z
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Re: Shortfield takeoffs in Tri-Pacer
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Re: Shortfield takeoffs in Tri-Pacer
This guy’s in a Cessna but watching his technique, is very inspiring. One of the strips he shows is 850ft!!!
https://youtu.be/K1BL2XWMHnA
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