ADSB Out FARs

[Brian]

AV Web ADSB Out Video:

https://www.avweb.com/multimedia/so-...ds-b-now-what/

[Troy Hamon]

That video misrepresents the reg by stating that it is required under shelves. That is not really true, ADSB is required inside the mode C veil, which by default makes it required beneath a Class B shelf, but there is no requirement for ADSB under a Class C shelf.

[Gilbert Pierce]

Only above Class C airspace or in it. The change was including above Class C airspace.

(1) Class B and Class C airspace areas;
(2) Except as provided for in paragraph (e) of this section, within 30 nautical miles of an airport listed in appendix D, section 1 to this part from the surface upward to 10,000 feet MSL;
(3) Above the ceiling and within the lateral boundaries of a Class B or Class C airspace area designated for an airport upward to 10,000 feet MSL;

[Brian]

Good catch Troy!

[Tailwind_Fan]

Since I’m outside of most of the rule airspace, I’m forgoing ADS-B out for the moment in hopes that the cost to equip comes down. When I do need to access rule airspace I can always use the online app, just need to apply for access during the preflight phase. I don’t think there’s a limit to using the app, per-se, just that there’s the 1 hour limit before you accessing rule airspace that you need to apply for access. Otherwise how would exempt aircraft without an electrical system access rule airspace?

[andya]

I don't think aircraft without electrical system are required to apply for access.
As was before ADS-b, permission to access was not required to enter the veil
of Class B, but just have to stay out of the Class B segments.

[Gilbert Pierce]

I don't think aircraft without electrical system are required to apply for access.
As was before ADS-b, permission to access was not required to enter the veil
of Class B, but just have to stay out of the Class B segments.

See post #3 above. 2) Except as provided for in paragraph (e) of this section.
This exception goes on to say aircraft that have never had an electrical system are exemp from the ADSB-Out requirements.
e) The requirements of paragraph (b) of this section do not apply to any aircraft that was not originally certificated with an electrical system, or that has not subsequently been certified with such a system installed, including balloons and gliders. These aircraft may conduct operations without ADS-B Out in the airspace specified in paragraphs (d)(2) and (d)(4) of this section. Operations authorized by this section must be conducted -
(1) Outside any Class B or Class C airspace area; and
(2) Below the altitude of the ceiling of a Class B or Class C airspace area designated for an airport, or 10,000 feet MSL, whichever

[blue44]

still nice to show up on the fast guys ipad though...

[Tailwind_Fan]

still nice to show up on the fast guys ipad though...

Yes, it would be, but I’m waiting for a solution that’s about half the cost of the least expensive solutions. It’s no good installing a $2k widget on a $500 mode C transponder.

[andya]

I'm happy with my "$500" xpndr, GDL 82 works well, and for $300 I bought a spare "$500" transponder. ATC won't know the difference.
A friend put one of the newer and not garmin ADS-B xpndrs in with the display for traffic built in for over $6k. I saw it, it looks nice but
the display of traffic is to small. I prefer my ipad mini far better for watching for traffic