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Re: Insurance claim fiasco
If I recall correctly, in the OPs first thread on the incident there was discussion on the fabric not being installed correctly at the windshield. It is supposed to go fully into the windshield channel and then to the front face of the carry through tube, glued in the channel and to the tube. I recall that this one was only glued in the channel part way. I may be wrong here, but that’s what I recall.
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Re: Insurance claim fiasco
Originally Posted by
dgapilot
...It is supposed to go fully into the windshield channel and then to the front face of the carry through tube, glued in the channel and to the tube. I recall that this one was only glued in the channel part way....
I don’t recall the thread even though I likely made the same erroneous statement about the trim strip in it. Out of curiosity though, where would someone, A&P or not, find the above info to keep from making that particular mistake?
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Re: Insurance claim fiasco
DGAPILOT’s recollection is correct. It appeared the fabric was not installed correctly at the windshield. The fabric apparently was only wrapped around the reinforcement strip.
This was the OP’s response when asked if he the fabric reinforcing strip at the top of the windshield; “Yes but its pretty small as I recall... the fabric basically folds over and tucks into this strip. It looked like there was some black rubberized lining as well.”
Last edited by Gilbert Pierce; 10-07-2020 at 08:32 PM.
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Re: Insurance claim fiasco
Originally Posted by
Jeff J
I don’t recall the thread even though I likely made the same erroneous statement about the trim strip in it. Out of curiosity though, where would someone, A&P or not, find the above info to keep from making that particular mistake?
It is on the Piper drawing for the fuselage covering. SWPC sells the CD with many of the drawings on it. Years ago (mid 1970s) when I had my first Clipper, I got the drawing for covering the fuselage direct from Piper. That was before the lawyers made a mess of everything making it hard to get the data required to keep these airplanes flying.
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Re: Insurance claim fiasco
Originally Posted by
Jeff J
I don’t recall the thread even though I likely made the same erroneous statement about the trim strip in it. Out of curiosity though, where would someone, A&P or not, find the above info to keep from making that particular mistake?
https://www.shortwingpipers.org/foru...ghlight=Fabric
Post #15 in the above referenced thread lists the Piper drawing number for the fuselage covering. The drawing is available on the SWPC drawing CD.
https://www.shortwingpiperclub.org/s...r-drawings-cd/
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Re: Insurance claim fiasco
I have a Vagabond and know about the need for the top cap strip on cotton fabric aircraft. It was on my Vag.
Three years ago I recovered my fuselage with Ceconite and ensured the fabric at the top was well pushed into/glued into the windscreen channel.
It also has a tape applied at that point and the tape wraps around into the windshield channel.
I didn't re-fit the top cap strip due to the wording of the AD saying it applied to old cotton fabric only.
I am curious regarding the actual failure sequence on OP's aircraft.
Did the fabric become unstuck from the top channel and, as it hadn't been tucked into the windscreen channel, just lifted into the wind?
Or did the fabric tear at the top, leaving the rest of the fabric (and tape) still glued to the windscreen channel?
Some pictures would be useful to understand the nature of the fabric failure.
Tony N
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Re: Insurance claim fiasco
Originally Posted by
tnowak
I have a Vagabond and know about the need for the top cap strip on cotton fabric aircraft. It was on my Vag.
Three years ago I recovered my fuselage with Ceconite and ensured the fabric at the top was well pushed into/glued into the windscreen channel.
It also has a tape applied at that point and the tape wraps around into the windshield channel.
I didn't re-fit the top cap strip due to the wording of the AD saying it applied to old cotton fabric only.
I am curious regarding the actual failure sequence on OP's aircraft.
Did the fabric become unstuck from the top channel and, as it hadn't been tucked into the windscreen channel, just lifted into the wind?
Or did the fabric tear at the top, leaving the rest of the fabric (and tape) still glued to the windscreen channel?
Some pictures would be useful to understand the nature of the fabric failure.
Tony N
Hello Tony
The airflow appears to caused a separation where the fabric/tape pulled out and away from the channel. The event must have happened gradually in flight... where the incident airflow just worked the seam loose (thin end of the wedge concept if you know what I mean). The best protection against this mishap IMO is to carefully inspect the seam/channel interface and make sure everything is sealed and not coming undone or loose. I have Superflight II on my aircraft (which is 'as new' and quite robust). As a result, the top fabric did not peel back over the wing roots.... Had it peeled back, I think it would have been a seriously bad outcome (imagine if the tail got blanked due to loose fabric... not good). I should have some pictures soon (right now its all taped over).
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Re: Insurance claim fiasco
The other case I mentioned peeled back. The owner said he suddenly found himself in a convertible but was able to control it.
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Re: Insurance claim fiasco
Originally Posted by
Gilbert Pierce
Thank you Gilbert for the link to the thread. I missed it last month somehow which explains why I didn’t remember seeing it.
I’ve had the club CDs for nearly 20 years.
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Re: Insurance claim fiasco
Originally Posted by
Jeff J
Thank you Gilbert for the link to the thread. I missed it last month somehow which explains why I didn’t remember seeing it.
I’ve had the club CDs for nearly 20 years.
I figured you did.
I mentioned the CD for those who may not know where to get the necessary information to maintain these planes.
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