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    Default Tailwheel Shimmy and Spring Arch

    Hi all,
    I've seen the threads on tailwheel locks, re-arching, etc., but I'd like to hear some opinions on the recommended tailwheel springs for a PA-22/20-160.

    Are most people using the PA-20 135 spring (from Univair) on thier PA-22/20s?

    What other springs should a person consider?

    I've heard of many people using Pawnee springs, but what about PA-18, etc.?

    I'm building an experimental pacer and will be using it for grass/dirt/off-road landings mostly.


    Thanks

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    Default Re: Recommended Tailwheel Spring for PA-22/20

    Here is the answer to the tail wheel spring loosing it's arch. https://www.airframesalaska.com/PA-1...ngs-s/1893.htm Different temper and more arch. They are working on a bracket for the Piper tailpost. I sent them the clamp to match our airplanes and should find something out in the next few days.
    Last edited by Steve Pierce; 09-26-2020 at 01:02 PM.

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    Default Re: Recommended Tailwheel Spring for PA-22/20

    Link errored out for me
    "Progress is our most important problem"

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    Default Re: Recommended Tailwheel Spring for PA-22/20

    Steve,
    Are you saying I should wait for AKB to come out with a tail spring for the PA-22/20s? Or that you think the husky spring would work well on the PA-22/20?

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    Default Re: Recommended Tailwheel Spring for PA-22/20

    The tailwheel springs supplied by Univair have insufficient arch. We installed a brand new from Univair on Clipper at OSH several years ago. It was still dragging it's tail on the ground and shimmying from lack of proper arch. I would Re-arch yours or wait for one that is properly engineered.

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    Default Re: Recommended Tailwheel Spring for PA-22/20

    Years ago when I had these tail spring arch problems, even re-arching my original, I bought a brand new one from Univair, after I put it on I could tell it wasn't
    arched enough so I took it off and went to the spring shop. that was over 16 years ago an it is still good.
    "Progress is our most important problem"

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    Default Re: Recommended Tailwheel Spring for PA-22/20

    The Husky spring originated from the Piper spring and as they went up in gross weight the spring got more leaves but lost it's arch quickly. I hear Univair made them for Aviat. Bill Duncan at AK Bushwheels was selling Aviat tail wheels and they kept bending the steering arms. He would not warrant the bent arms because their tail spring arch was at the wrong angle thus the steering arms were bending trying to turn the tailwheel. Bill started supplying Aviat with tail springs and added a little more arch and changed the temper to make them last. The thing I am waiting on right now it the two bolt clamp that attaches the tail spring to the tailpost. The Husky is wider than the Piper one. Wup at AK Bushwheels is working on one to fit the Piper fuselage using their Husky tail spring which is wider thus the Piper bracket won't fit. Luckily they now make a PA18 spring that works great on our Short Wings.
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    Default Re: Recommended Tailwheel Spring for PA-22/20

    Hello Folks,

    I'm tagging onto this 2010 thread rather then starting a new one (I searched and did not see anything more recent on the issue. I'd like to upgrade to a 1 3/4 width tailspring, and as Steve mentions in the quote below AK Bushwheels has a nice PA-18 single-hole 4-leaf that has a nice tight arch and strong temper. However, I just talked to Jason up there who said they did not end up making an adaptor to fit the std PA-22/20 tail post bolt spacing. I know several of you out there are using the wider AKB or Pawnee springs, but I suspect most welded on a wider foot while they were in rebuild or conversion.
    But I'd like to ask if any one has come up with a design for an adaptor or ground half moons in the wider spring to pick up the original bolt pattern.

    Thanks, REID

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    The Husky spring originated from the Piper spring and as they went up in gross weight the spring got more leaves but lost it's arch quickly. I hear Univair made them for Aviat. Bill Duncan at AK Bushwheels was selling Aviat tail wheels and they kept bending the steering arms. He would not warrant the bent arms because their tail spring arch was at the wrong angle thus the steering arms were bending trying to turn the tailwheel. Bill started supplying Aviat with tail springs and added a little more arch and changed the temper to make them last. The thing I am waiting on right now it the two bolt clamp that attaches the tail spring to the tailpost. The Husky is wider than the Piper one. Wup at AK Bushwheels is working on one to fit the Piper fuselage using their Husky tail spring which is wider thus the Piper bracket won't fit.

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    Default Re: Recommended Tailwheel Spring for PA-22/20

    Gotcha...thanks, Steve.

    I can't re-arch the spring I have now, because I don't have one...just looking for recommendations?
    Last edited by chrisg; 03-20-2014 at 07:36 AM.

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    Default Re: Recommended Tailwheel Spring for PA-22/20

    Chris,
    You might consider using a PA-25 TW spring. Stiffer, wider, and better suited for the heavier 22/20 airframe. Been known to solve arch and shimmy problems on Scott 3200 equipped PA22/20 conversions.
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