Graham, Texas, United States
Pre-Purchase Inspection
Most everyone on this website realizes the attributes to Short Wing Piper ownership but quite often someone new comes along that has not yet realized what theses airplanes have to offer. It is my intention in this thread to help a new, would be Short Wing owner in the pursuit of the airplane that will serve their mission and provide economical service for many years to come. In my opinion these airplanes that we call Short Wing Pipers are the best bang for the buck. Where else can you find an airplane that can carry 4 people, or 3 people and stuff at 110-130 mph, get off of relatively short grass runways, travel comfortably for 3 hours plus for anywhere from $20-40K? To add icing on the cake they are a very simple design, parts are readily available and they are pretty easy to maintain, not to mention so many people on this website are willing to share their experience in flying, maintaining and restoring them as well.
Ok, you see the light and want a Short Wing Piper of your own, what’s next you might ask? Start your search and be diligent. Start looking at Barnstormers and Trade-A-Plane and get an idea of what is out there, where they are located, what the asking prices are, upgrades, modifications and how long they are advertised. There is a reason one is snatched up quickly and another has been on the market for years. One of the advantages we have now is we can gather a lot of information on a perspective airplane without having to travel great distances. A seller’s description and some small pictures posted in an advertisement don’t give the whole story and sometimes can be deceiving. With my experiences over the years in maintaining, restoring and helping others buy Short Wing Pipers I hope I can help someone else avoid a lot of the pitfalls that are out there. An airplane is supposed to be fun. One thing to remember, the purchase of an airplane is only the “Price of Admission”. Many do not take into account hanger rent, insurance costs, maintenance and those yearly annual inspections. Once it is determined that you want to own your own airplane the hunt is on.
The first thing I like to do when I find a perspective airplane is call the owner and ask a lot of questions, “how long have you owned the airplane?”, “why are you selling the airplane?”, “are there any issues with the airplane?”. There are those airplanes that were bought to “Flip”, fix up quick and cheap, and sell for a profit. Then there are the airplanes that have been a part of the family, they were well loved, cared for and for whatever reason they are no longer being used and the owner has decided it is time to sell. A lot of owners are passionate about their airplanes and can give you a lot of history on theirs which can be very helpful. Has the airplane been hangered, lived in a dry climate, maintained by a meticulous mechanic who knows Short Wings? I also like to talk to the mechanic who maintains the airplane and the one who recovered it. I like to ask what was done at recover as well as previous inspections. It gives me an idea of the mechanics general knowledge and more history on the airplane. These are tid bits of information that can be helpful in your decision to pursue this particular airplane.
I ask when was the airplane last recovered and by who? Same for the last engine overhaul, when, who and what documentation is there. I really like it when an owner will scan and email complete logbooks. It is amazing what little things you can determine. If an airplane sat a lot, flew a lot, had an accident, incident etc. When an aircraft is recovered it is considered a major repair or alteration so there should be a FAA Form 337 filed which should give pertinent details on what was done at that time. 337 forms are also used to record modifications such as conversion to tailwheel, alternator installation, skylight, wing modifications etc. They can provide a lot of useful information and can be requested directly from the FAA for any registered aircraft. https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certif...on/aircraft_registry/copies_aircraft_records/ Engine records can help shed light on the quality of overhaul as well. Are there yellow tags, 8130 tags for the crankcase, crankshaft, cam, lifters, rocker arms etc. or is there just a logbook entry? Were new cylinders installed or rebuilt? Sometimes rebuilt are ok but I have pulled a lot of rebuilt cylinders with only a few hundred hours after overhaul that were cracked and not repairable. This can lead to repair costs well over $1000.
Along the lines of documentation what about airworthiness directive compliance? Is there a complete list of applicable ADs on the airframe, engine, propeller, magnetos, carburetor, air filters? I like to see a comprehensive list with all ADs, how they were complied with and if they are recurring, when and a signature and date. If there is no signature and date on each AD how can you verify that it was actually done? One of my pet peeves is the phrase “PCW or Previously Complied With”. I want a date, time and what was done to comply with the AD. Another pet peeve is no AD list of appliances such as carburetors, magnetos and other components. It can be a time consuming task to research old appliance ADs and verify their compliance without costly disassembly. An equipment list with all part numbers, model numbers and serial numbers of installed equipment and modifications is also very helpful. To be airworthy the airplane has to meet the Type Certificate Data Sheet or have Supplemental Type Certificates or FAA approved 337 forms to substantiate any alterations or modifications. Proper documentation is very important and can be a nightmare on a 60 year old airplane if it is not there.
Along with requesting as much documentation as possible I like lots of high resolution pictures. Pictures of the entire airplane are good but pictures of the engine with cowling removed, interior, inside of wings, tops of wings, bottom of wings, control surfaces, fuselage fabric, fuselage tubing though the belly panel etc. I can spend a lot of time combing over good high resolution pictures and verifying there are no obvious issues. Things I look for are the condition of the cowling, boot cowl, wing root fairings etc. These parts tend to crack and wear over time and can give a good indication of the type of care and maintenance the airplane has seen. Exhaust systems can be an issue, are there patches, welded cracks, condition of heat shrouds etc. Engine in general, clean, dry, cracked baffles, good baffle seals? Is the firewall clean, properly sealed and things routed correctly? Instrument panel well laid out, what about under the panel, wiring, cable routing etc. What is the condition of the interior upholstery, headliner, carpet or floor boards? What about the fabric, any cracking of the finish under the fuel tanks in the wings, stringers of the fuselage, leading edges of stabilizers? Good pictures can tell you a lot about an airplane and above all can help you walk away or spend the money to go take a look for yourself.
The next step is to get a disinterested party who knows Short Wing Pipers to look over what you have found. Don’t get the guy who has been maintaining the airplane for the seller. Get a fresh set of eyes that is working for you, preferably the mechanic that will be maintaining the airplane. If their review is favorable then I see if anyone I know knows the airplane or someone I know can go by and actually put eye balls on it. I have had friends look at airplanes for me who are not mechanics that come back with a lot of discrepancies by just walking around it. On the other hand I have had them tell me how nice it is. That is when it is time to spend the time and money to have a look and have someone knowledgeable look as well. Remember that these things can take time and try not to get emotionally involved. I have seen people fall in love with an airplane, buy it and then have it in pieces within a year. Use the resources at hand and educate yourself prior to writing the check. Problems overlooked now can be very costly and take the fun out of airplane ownership. On the other hand if you do your homework and find the right airplane the enjoyment of owning and flying your own Short Wing and the comradery of fellow Short Wing owners is priceless.
Hope this will start an informative thread where others can share their pre-purchase and aircraft ownership experiences and perspective buyers can ask specific questions in their pursuit of a Short Wing Piper.
Most everyone on this website realizes the attributes to Short Wing Piper ownership but quite often someone new comes along that has not yet realized what theses airplanes have to offer. It is my intention in this thread to help a new, would be Short Wing owner in the pursuit of the airplane that will serve their mission and provide economical service for many years to come. In my opinion these airplanes that we call Short Wing Pipers are the best bang for the buck. Where else can you find an airplane that can carry 4 people, or 3 people and stuff at 110-130 mph, get off of relatively short grass runways, travel comfortably for 3 hours plus for anywhere from $20-40K? To add icing on the cake they are a very simple design, parts are readily available and they are pretty easy to maintain, not to mention so many people on this website are willing to share their experience in flying, maintaining and restoring them as well.
Ok, you see the light and want a Short Wing Piper of your own, what’s next you might ask? Start your search and be diligent. Start looking at Barnstormers and Trade-A-Plane and get an idea of what is out there, where they are located, what the asking prices are, upgrades, modifications and how long they are advertised. There is a reason one is snatched up quickly and another has been on the market for years. One of the advantages we have now is we can gather a lot of information on a perspective airplane without having to travel great distances. A seller’s description and some small pictures posted in an advertisement don’t give the whole story and sometimes can be deceiving. With my experiences over the years in maintaining, restoring and helping others buy Short Wing Pipers I hope I can help someone else avoid a lot of the pitfalls that are out there. An airplane is supposed to be fun. One thing to remember, the purchase of an airplane is only the “Price of Admission”. Many do not take into account hanger rent, insurance costs, maintenance and those yearly annual inspections. Once it is determined that you want to own your own airplane the hunt is on.
The first thing I like to do when I find a perspective airplane is call the owner and ask a lot of questions, “how long have you owned the airplane?”, “why are you selling the airplane?”, “are there any issues with the airplane?”. There are those airplanes that were bought to “Flip”, fix up quick and cheap, and sell for a profit. Then there are the airplanes that have been a part of the family, they were well loved, cared for and for whatever reason they are no longer being used and the owner has decided it is time to sell. A lot of owners are passionate about their airplanes and can give you a lot of history on theirs which can be very helpful. Has the airplane been hangered, lived in a dry climate, maintained by a meticulous mechanic who knows Short Wings? I also like to talk to the mechanic who maintains the airplane and the one who recovered it. I like to ask what was done at recover as well as previous inspections. It gives me an idea of the mechanics general knowledge and more history on the airplane. These are tid bits of information that can be helpful in your decision to pursue this particular airplane.
I ask when was the airplane last recovered and by who? Same for the last engine overhaul, when, who and what documentation is there. I really like it when an owner will scan and email complete logbooks. It is amazing what little things you can determine. If an airplane sat a lot, flew a lot, had an accident, incident etc. When an aircraft is recovered it is considered a major repair or alteration so there should be a FAA Form 337 filed which should give pertinent details on what was done at that time. 337 forms are also used to record modifications such as conversion to tailwheel, alternator installation, skylight, wing modifications etc. They can provide a lot of useful information and can be requested directly from the FAA for any registered aircraft. https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certif...on/aircraft_registry/copies_aircraft_records/ Engine records can help shed light on the quality of overhaul as well. Are there yellow tags, 8130 tags for the crankcase, crankshaft, cam, lifters, rocker arms etc. or is there just a logbook entry? Were new cylinders installed or rebuilt? Sometimes rebuilt are ok but I have pulled a lot of rebuilt cylinders with only a few hundred hours after overhaul that were cracked and not repairable. This can lead to repair costs well over $1000.
Along the lines of documentation what about airworthiness directive compliance? Is there a complete list of applicable ADs on the airframe, engine, propeller, magnetos, carburetor, air filters? I like to see a comprehensive list with all ADs, how they were complied with and if they are recurring, when and a signature and date. If there is no signature and date on each AD how can you verify that it was actually done? One of my pet peeves is the phrase “PCW or Previously Complied With”. I want a date, time and what was done to comply with the AD. Another pet peeve is no AD list of appliances such as carburetors, magnetos and other components. It can be a time consuming task to research old appliance ADs and verify their compliance without costly disassembly. An equipment list with all part numbers, model numbers and serial numbers of installed equipment and modifications is also very helpful. To be airworthy the airplane has to meet the Type Certificate Data Sheet or have Supplemental Type Certificates or FAA approved 337 forms to substantiate any alterations or modifications. Proper documentation is very important and can be a nightmare on a 60 year old airplane if it is not there.
Along with requesting as much documentation as possible I like lots of high resolution pictures. Pictures of the entire airplane are good but pictures of the engine with cowling removed, interior, inside of wings, tops of wings, bottom of wings, control surfaces, fuselage fabric, fuselage tubing though the belly panel etc. I can spend a lot of time combing over good high resolution pictures and verifying there are no obvious issues. Things I look for are the condition of the cowling, boot cowl, wing root fairings etc. These parts tend to crack and wear over time and can give a good indication of the type of care and maintenance the airplane has seen. Exhaust systems can be an issue, are there patches, welded cracks, condition of heat shrouds etc. Engine in general, clean, dry, cracked baffles, good baffle seals? Is the firewall clean, properly sealed and things routed correctly? Instrument panel well laid out, what about under the panel, wiring, cable routing etc. What is the condition of the interior upholstery, headliner, carpet or floor boards? What about the fabric, any cracking of the finish under the fuel tanks in the wings, stringers of the fuselage, leading edges of stabilizers? Good pictures can tell you a lot about an airplane and above all can help you walk away or spend the money to go take a look for yourself.
The next step is to get a disinterested party who knows Short Wing Pipers to look over what you have found. Don’t get the guy who has been maintaining the airplane for the seller. Get a fresh set of eyes that is working for you, preferably the mechanic that will be maintaining the airplane. If their review is favorable then I see if anyone I know knows the airplane or someone I know can go by and actually put eye balls on it. I have had friends look at airplanes for me who are not mechanics that come back with a lot of discrepancies by just walking around it. On the other hand I have had them tell me how nice it is. That is when it is time to spend the time and money to have a look and have someone knowledgeable look as well. Remember that these things can take time and try not to get emotionally involved. I have seen people fall in love with an airplane, buy it and then have it in pieces within a year. Use the resources at hand and educate yourself prior to writing the check. Problems overlooked now can be very costly and take the fun out of airplane ownership. On the other hand if you do your homework and find the right airplane the enjoyment of owning and flying your own Short Wing and the comradery of fellow Short Wing owners is priceless.
Hope this will start an informative thread where others can share their pre-purchase and aircraft ownership experiences and perspective buyers can ask specific questions in their pursuit of a Short Wing Piper.
Good job spotting the descrepency. It amazes me some of the unscrupulous things people do.
