Super Pacer no. 2

I'm back in the air, 12 days before it was wrecked one year ago. I've been working out bugs in the trim, AS, now engine monitor. It flys well. The first flight was recorded. I now have about 5 hours. The Cross Winds cuff made a difference in landings. It has less sink and more elevator during flair. I can better control decent with elevator and not use power. The cruise seems to be unchanged.
 

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I have some updates on my Pacer.

I installed the Cross Winds leading edge cuff.

1. It definitely improves low end speeds. My landing approach at above 50 mph is controllable without using power. I can more easily roll on tail first. Touch downs are at about 38 to 40 mph, GPS.

2. I did lose about 4 mph in cruise. The position of the cuff may have played a roll.

I had a hard time locating a good static port location. The original location on the belly gave me an AS reading 5 to 6 mph lower the actual speed. Leaving the static open in the cockpit gave me a reading of 10 mph low. I also tried the SC location without success. Finally, I installed Senaire static ports on each side of the cowl. My AS readings are less than 1 mph off. I verify my AS in 4 directions with my GPS. I do this multiple times are different rpms.
 
I have to admit to not be keeping up with my photography. I've been working mostly every day, putting in lots of hours. But. I hate stopping and taking time away from work. I'll try to shoot more. James Smith is bringing the fuselage today! The wings are basically done. I picked up my left 23 gallon fuel that had gotten a small hole in it from the welding shop yesterday.

MM, I am wondering what the XWind cuff will do to performance, if anything. Do you have any knowledge? I just thought I would give them a try.
I know I’m replying a year after you asked the question. Didn’t have a good answer back then, maybe even not now. A few days ago I was having a chat with a 40+ year airtaxi pilot out of Naknek, works with Rocket. He had some time on the ground here waiting on some people who charted here to pick our purple grass. Damn expensive grass! When he looked at my Pacer he asked why I went with the leading edge cuff. My simple answer his question to the modifications, VG’s, Stall fences, aileron gap seals and the cuff was to decrease the stall speed as much as possible. He said most guys don't install the cuff on a Pacer because the stall speed is below the air speed needed to have effective control surfaces making it less safe in crosswinds. Makes sense because I don’t drag it in when there’s a crosswind. Sometimes I’m landing with one notch at +10 mph ( I always use a crosswind calculator after tuning into the AWOS) or no flaps when it’s better than 20 mph. I make my approach fast enough to keep it on centerline with good directional control.. sometimes I have to fly it onto the ground or land across the runway if the wind is howling and only if there’s enough room. When the winds are calm’ish…it’s really fun to get her slowed down enough to land really short..down and stopped less than 200’ from my intended touch down point. And as to the performance. I can’t really compare to what is now to what it was. Went from a stock 125 hp Pacer that cruised at 105 mph to what it is now. Flat out it’ll do 127 and that’s with the draggy bare gear, 26” Goodyears and nothing done to clean up the air flow around the wing strut ends. Cruises quite nicely at 117mph at 2450 rpm and 114 or so at 2350 rpm. I did pick up some .016” and .020” 2024 to cover the landing gear. Just haven’t done it yet. Not spending much time at home since February due to my brides medical issues.
 
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I read all that from my email before coming here. I thought it was Steve talking. I enjoyed all the rambling and agree to bout everything you said. Duh, your right ..who wants to slow down and get thrown around? When it comes to x-wind were fighting not floating, er trying not to.
 
I really love my nose wheel. I know I aint cool and belong in a dairy farm but I have been in gusty x-winds in my tail dragger wondering when am I going to be able to stop gunning the power cuz I am getting tired at looking at that drop off next to the pavement. You have to admit Piper really exaggerated the fact that a nose wheel can bail your ass out of the fire when they put it on a short wing Pacer. I have landed in some crazy x-winds in my Tri-pacer that I doubt I would chance it in a Cessna or any of them light weight floaty birds. Takes guts to convert to tail wheel and give up that safety factor. My buddy in Alaska bought a 20/22 that had been ground looped, fixed it up and his partner ground looped it. That poor plane! Hell, take a chance with them small wheels they can take a beating too.
 
I know I’m replying a year after you asked the question. Didn’t have a good answer back then, maybe even not now. A few days ago I was having a chat with a 40+ year airtaxi pilot out of Naknek, works with Rocket. He had some time on the ground here waiting on some people who charted here to pick our purple grass. Damn expensive grass! When he looked at my Pacer he asked why I went with the leading edge cuff. My simple answer his question to the modifications, VG’s, Stall fences, aileron gap seals and the cuff was to decrease the stall speed as much as possible. He said most guys don't install the cuff on a Pacer because the stall speed is below the air speed needed to have effective control surfaces making it less safe in crosswinds. Makes sense because I don’t drag it in when there’s a crosswind. Sometimes I’m landing with one notch at +10 mph ( I always use a crosswind calculator after tuning into the AWOS) or no flaps when it’s better than 20 mph. I make my approach fast enough to keep it on centerline with good directional control.. sometimes I have to fly it onto the ground or land across the runway if the wind is howling and only if there’s enough room. When the winds are calm’ish…it’s really fun to get her slowed down enough to land really short..down and stopped less than 200’ from my intended touch down point. And as to the performance. I can’t really compare to what is now to what it was. Went from a stock 125 hp Pacer that cruised at 105 mph to what it is now. Flat out it’ll do 127 and that’s with the draggy bare gear, 26” Goodyears and nothing done to clean up the air flow around the wing strut ends. Cruises quite nicely at 117mph at 2450 rpm and 114 or so at 2350 rpm. I did pick up some .016” and .020” 2024 to cover the landing gear. Just haven’t done it yet. Not spending much time at home since February due to my brides medical issues.
Thanks MM, good explanations. I have a couple of comments. VG's and gap seals did not noticeable lower my stall speed. I found that they increased control at low speeds. The stall fence between the aileron and flap eliminates a potential radical stall brake when using full flaps on a wing with cuffs. A Cub friend (Jerry Burr) a well known Cub experimentor attempted removing his fence but immediately put them back after experiencing this reaction. The cuff does lower stall speed, so does my longer wing. I also have 102 inch ailerons moved outboard. Which both Eddie and tried for years to get approved on the Pacer.
My local field has a bad reputation for turbulent West winds due to 150 foot cliffs and tall trees. The commercial guys often give up after several attempts. I use MM's approach. Plus 10 mph and wrestle it. BTW, I never seen cruise speeds above 110 mph unless I'm flat out. Damn. Must be my prop.
 
I have the cuff and vg’s. Flew it with the cuff only for a couple years before adding the vg’s. My speeds are almost identical to MM’s with 29” ABW’s. I do not have the stall fences. Never noticed any issues with undesirable stall characteristics. Didn’t get much help from the vg’s with stall speed compared to the cuff alone, but aileron control was greatly improved at slow speed. The gap seals really helped to stabilize my pitch at slow speeds and high AOA. I crank in about 6 turns of nose up trim on final and before the seals it was really hard to maintain a steady aoa/pitch angle to hold the aircraft below 50 mph. After the seals I can put in the nose up trim and in stable air I can comfortably hold 45mph indicated with stall break right around 40 mph. I have to land power on, approximately 1500 rpm to hold the tail down.
 
I have the cuff and vg’s. Flew it with the cuff only for a couple years before adding the vg’s. My speeds are almost identical to MM’s with 29” ABW’s. I do not have the stall fences. Never noticed any issues with undesirable stall characteristics. Didn’t get much help from the vg’s with stall speed compared to the cuff alone, but aileron control was greatly improved at slow speed. The gap seals really helped to stabilize my pitch at slow speeds and high AOA. I crank in about 6 turns of nose up trim on final and before the seals it was really hard to maintain a steady aoa/pitch angle to hold the aircraft below 50 mph. After the seals I can put in the nose up trim and in stable air I can comfortably hold 45mph indicated with stall break right around 40 mph. I have to land power on, approximately 1500 rpm to hold the tail down.
Thanks Bender, good info. What prop are you running?

On approach I start with first notch and two cranks of trim. Then full flaps and no trim adjustment. My stick pressure is neutral. I have PA 18 tail. VG's and CC's gap seals. Im at 55 mph short and touch down at about 40 GPS, no wind.

The fence may be an issue on longer wings???!
 
Winters comin, your gonna over shoot your mark with GPS. All the static port experimenting took your mind off the thick and thin, ha. My Dad lived in Walden, CO for a while. I went up there and flew him over some of his surveys one hot summers day. I just couldnt convince him that we probably hit a micro burst on touch down. Gawd, it looked like we were going 90 MPH. ASI was 60.
Just babblin, Im sure you probably already forgot half of what I'll never get around to learning.
 
Stephen,
I did speak with Eddie Trimmer last week. One topic we discussed was his wing STC. For the past four or five years the hold up has been the DER doing things other than, mostly family stuff, sick mom, things like that. Eddie is going to ask for the documentation so that he can find another DER to continue.
 
Winters comin, your gonna over shoot your mark with GPS. All the static port experimenting took your mind off the thick and thin, ha. My Dad lived in Walden, CO for a while. I went up there and flew him over some of his surveys one hot summers day. I just couldnt convince him that we probably hit a micro burst on touch down. Gawd, it looked like we were going 90 MPH. ASI was 60.
Just babblin, Im sure you probably already forgot half of what I'll never get around to learning.
My AS varies about 5 mph between mid winter and the rest of the year.
 
My AS varies about 5 mph between mid winter and the rest of the year.
I just calculated the true airspeed landing that day in Walden @ 8150' 90F. IAS was 65 mph and TAS happened to be 80 mph. I have to pay a little more attention up here yonder.
I flew for years never getting below 4000' approx. I'll never forget that feeling landing at 1200'. I usually land no flaps but coming in for the first time surprised the hell out of me. I ended up full flaps then adding in quite a bit of rudder, duh?
 
I just calculated the true airspeed landing that day in Walden @ 8150' 90F. IAS was 65 mph and TAS happened to be 80 mph. I have to pay a little more attention up here yonder.
I flew for years never getting below 4000' approx. I'll never forget that feeling landing at 1200'. I usually land no flaps but coming in for the first time surprised the hell out of me. I ended up full flaps then adding in quite a bit of rudder, duh?
I rarely get above 1000 feet. Our airport at 220 feet is higher than most of the island.
 
I have the cuff and vg’s. Flew it with the cuff only for a couple years before adding the vg’s. My speeds are almost identical to MM’s with 29” ABW’s. I do not have the stall fences. Never noticed any issues with undesirable stall characteristics. Didn’t get much help from the vg’s with stall speed compared to the cuff alone, but aileron control was greatly improved at slow speed. The gap seals really helped to stabilize my pitch at slow speeds and high AOA. I crank in about 6 turns of nose up trim on final and before the seals it was really hard to maintain a steady aoa/pitch angle to hold the aircraft below 50 mph. After the seals I can put in the nose up trim and in stable air I can comfortably hold 45mph indicated with stall break right around 40 mph. I have to land power on, approximately 1500 rpm to hold the tail down.
Are you at full nose up trim when you are landing? The stabilizer can do a lot if you keep adding nose up trim. I always prefer to land with power on myself. Just something to think about, no right or wrong.
DENNY
 
I'm two turns on the trim in my case. Full flaps. My longer wings I don't use power to control decent as much.
 
I don’t really know how many turns I crank on the trim. It depends on the load. Just me vs camping gear in the back, or me and my wife with two mountain bikes in the back, steep approach to get over trees or 3 degrees on an ILS with only one notch of flaps vs full flaps. I use power to adjust the sink rate and the pitch trim to keep the AOA where I want it.

Juergen
Pacer N3342Z
 
Stephen,
I did speak with Eddie Trimmer last week. One topic we discussed was his wing STC. For the past four or five years the hold up has been the DER doing things other than, mostly family stuff, sick mom, things like that. Eddie is going to ask for the documentation so that he can find another DER to continue.
Is he trying to get a bigger flap approved?
 
Moving the ailerons outboard. Basically the outboard aileron hinge becomes the inboard hinge. The flap is extended to fill the gap. The rear spar gets reinforced as well. This makes the wings the same length, basically replacing the bow with wing ribs. The wings Eddie has 337’s on that he built don’t have wing tips..
 
Moving the ailerons outboard. Basically the outboard aileron hinge becomes the inboard hinge. The flap is extended to fill the gap. The rear spar gets reinforced as well. This makes the wings the same length, basically replacing the bow with wing ribs. The wings Eddie has 337’s on that he built don’t have wing tips..
I understand more or less the mod, I guess I was more interested in how far along the approval process he is.
 
Stephen, would you please expound a bit about your prop... sensenich adjustable?
Also are your longer ailerons covered by the super pacer stc?
 
I found that Sensenich ground adjustable with pin 7 was the best for both cruise and climb. The performance was similar to my Catto 82-42. Since my plane is certified, I normally use my McCauley 77-55, with only slightly lower take off and climb performance.
 
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